At least future generations will know that not all of us were self-destructive, shortsighted fools. Knowing folks like this exist gives me hope.

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@aral say this were adopted globally and it was only demand ↔ supply (but no prices).

- how can we use scarce goods efficiently without a price mechanism?
- why would people produce goods that aren't fun to make?
- what would stop drug users from consuming but not producing?

@bjorn Good questions. I'd like to recommend the book "automated autonomous world" that deals with the first 2 questions in detail: www.tromsite.com/books/#flipbo… and for the last one. It should be up to people what they do and I would say the saner the environment of people is, the saner the behavior will be. If people would have more access to what they need and want without having to trade that much anymore + be more educated, they might consume less drugs.

@aaron that is a captivating vision for the future for sure.

But it seems like there's a fatal flaw in the logic.

All the proposed tech would require massive use of already-scarce goods — cobalt, lithium, silver, etc.

On top of this, they propose eliminating money, prices and trade.

The total effects of this lead to scarcity (see Bastiat mises.org/library/abundance-vs), and the Trade-Free vision would be a non-starter.

For any chance of success, they need to thoroughly address this.

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@aaron I spent a few hours reading through the PDF — and I feel like the price mechanism has been completely overlooked.

The technologies proposed are here and exciting, but I feel like the problem has been misdiagnosed as trade/money, and I can't overlook it — it's the achilles heel of an otherwise powerful idea.

Am I missing something? Appreciate the engagement.

@aaron @bjorn
All the proposed tech would require massive use of already-scarce goods — cobalt, lithium, silver, etc.

If you do not seek to trade, then you won't seek to destroy and overuse. Because there are consequences to this and you have more to lose than gain. Why would an organization overuse some resources unless there is an extreme need for that? It is a better incentive to not trade these resources, than to trade them.
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